they applied what james madison called at the convention, saying, gentlemen, we are engaged in the new science of government. nobody had tried that before. people ought to appreciate that. it had never happened before, and it will probably never happen again that a system of government will be devised by a seminar. i mean, you know, three month long seminar compost of the political leaders of the entire country. that will not happen again, and you can't appreciate that unless you seep yourself in the times including reading the federalist papers. c-span: in this book, at the beginning, you list a bunch of people that you thank. >> guest: yeah. c-span: we counted -- >> guest: probably missed some too. c-span: twenty-three of your former clerks. we had a former clerk of yours here several months ago, and i want to run this little thing and get your reaction to it. >> guest: all right. >> he and i had an intense argument of a statutory interpretation case, and he took me out and says, you have to talk to my clerks now, and i did. they were conservative clerks, marking me as a liberal, and i was t